Last week Field Commander Alan Conner and Educational Specialist Michelle Busch-Upwall educated us on what internet crimes against children look like and how big the problem goes. This week they continue their conversation by educating us on how we can be proactive in protecting our children and getting involved in our communities.
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Jen: Hello and welcome to the Parents Place, a podcast put out by the Family Place for parents to develop skills that will strengthen families and provide tools that will help each of us in our parenting efforts. No matter our skills. we can always use reminders that help us work towards a safer, happier home. I'm your host. Jennifer Daly, the education director at the Family Place and my co-host is Sara Hendricks, a family educator at the Family Place. Every week, we will interview professionals that will provide valuable information that will make a difference when you apply it directly to your life. Thank you for joining us. Now, let's get started with today's episode.
Sara: This is part two of a two-part episode to hear the first part of this interview. Please refer back to the episode posted last week.
Jen: Welcome back to the Parents Place podcast. I'm your host, Jen Daly,
Sara: and I'm your co-host Sara Hendricks.
Jen: We're picking up where we left off with field commander Alan Connor, educating us on dangers our children may encounter on the internet. Now educational specialists Michelle Busch-Upwall is going to give us awesome tools and resources to help us navigate keeping our kids safe on the internet. Now, let's jump in to the episode.
Sara: How can parents track what their kids are doing on their devices to know if this kind of stuff is happening to them?
Michelle: So, there's many ways that parents can track and monitor kids to see what they're doing. It ranges from so they can look for software. I mean, it ranges anywhere from free to different price points at a monitor, so you can search for monitoring software or see the different trends that are available. Decide which one best meet your needs. There is a million to choose from, and so we never generally will say this kind, or this kind because each person has their needs that they want to be met. Whether it's specifically set specifically for Snapchat, or it's kind of an all over monitoring, there's different software. So that's one thing. Another way is for apps, of course. Again, there are many, many, many available. It's best to research again which ones fit your needs. And just looking at that, just doing a Google search, you know, top twenty-one apps to monitor your kids. It'll give the benefits. It'll give the pros and cons of both sides and kind of what you're looking for. So those are ways to monitor. You can also check with cell phone providers. Many providers have a feature that features that enable monitoring of devices like I personally, I did when my daughter was younger, I have Verizon and they offer the family plan. And so that's kind of what that was, was monitoring looking at text, things like that coming through. So, checking with cell phone providers is really a good one as well and then always making sure that we're using secure internet connections. And Alan can attest to this. We don't want open Wi-Fi, open access. We want secure internet connections, making sure all accounts are set to private, always using secure passwords on those accounts, and making sure all of our security software is up to date. And then again, using those secure internet connections, having conversations with your kids, I'm going to reiterate that over and over and over again throughout this thing, because communication is the key to everything.
Jen: I like that there's so many different options out there for parents to kind of meet their needs. I think sometimes parents think, “Oh, this will never happen to my child. I have a discussion. I don't need to have this monitoring stuff or I do have this monitoring stuff, so I don't need to talk to him about it”. But I always go back to these guys are sneaky. And you know what? If your kid can figure out how to hack into whatever they're trying to get into, these sneaky little buggers can do the same thing back to our kids. And so, having that double protection of the monitoring and the communication, so key. So, what if a parent is having a child that's being exploited? What steps should they take?
Michelle: So first of all, number one, report, that is super important. Number one is local law enforcement agencies, school resource officers. That's number one. Like Alan had said in a previous podcast, we partner with all of these different agencies, so we have affiliates that work with us. And school resource officers are awesome because so many kids have really good relationships with school resource officers and feel comfortable with them telling them something is going on. So that's number one, reporting. Number two, us, Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force and would give you that website. It's at UtahICAC@HGUtah.gov. And our tip line is 801-281-1211. And then also the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is www.cybertipline.com, or 1-800-THE-LOST. And that is great. So, if the child is being exploited online, say it's through Facebook or Instagram or whatever it may be, they can go on the cyber tip line and make a cyber tip line report. Or because then if that person, wherever the other person is located, say the child is in Utah, that is going to go through that, see where those are located, and then make sure that both states get those reports. So, say this person that's trying to split the child online is in New York and the child's in Utah. That task force is going to get that report as well as Utah. So that's a great place to report, especially for these online crimes, because as we know, they cross state lines all the time and then make sure to report it to the source of the exploitation. Just like if it's Snapchat, make sure they're reporting it to Snapchat. They don't want that kind of stuff going on their sites, and they report to us. So, make sure that they are reporting to that as well as all of these other agencies.
Alan: And one other thing to mention is while you're making these reports, don't destroy the evidence, which is obviously it's the natural inclination of, “Oh, this person is hurting my child, I'm going to block them, I'm going to delete them. I'm going to do this”, take the device that this is occurring on secure it. And really, if you can start by notifying your local agency, they'll help you preserve that evidence. Because I can't tell you how many times we've gotten a call from a parent and they're frantic about what's happening to the child, say, “Well, what did you do with the phone? Oh, I, I said it back to the factory settings. I blocked that person. I erased everything on it”, and there goes everything. We need to initiate an investigation and find that person that's doing it. So, of all things to you, don't erase the evidence. That's the one don't.
Michelle: Yeah, and a good way. Also, we've had even parents just take a screenshot. Say, it's a conversation. say, the child is being cyberbullied or exploit it taking a screenshot of that conversation. I mean, that's evidence so super important. Those are great things to make sure we have evidence is what's going to prosecute, what's going to help that case? So, yeah, keeping all of that.
Jen: I appreciate you saying that because I think that would have been my first thought of if I ever saw this on my stepdaughter's phone. OK, we're going to delete this image, and it probably would just sit down and talk with her instead of calling my local police officers. You know, I would probably just say, OK, we're going to delete it and then have a conversation with her. Thank her for coming and talking to me. But yeah, I mean, even if it happens one time, it's important because you never know how many other children are getting that same picture. So, thanks for educating me.
Michelle: And another part of that that goes right along with that is we see a lot like the sexting cases with teenagers, you know, where they're passing these images back and forth. A lot of times they will just delete that image because, oh my gosh, I don't want to have this on my phone. But there is a child and that image. We need to make sure that we stop it right there. We keep that we can identify who that child is, if that's the reach that we can. I mean, there's no help. But yeah, it's super important in all of these cases.
Sara: So, with that being said, how can parents be more aware and more proactive in protecting children both inside their home and outside of their home with other children?
Michelle: So, there's a lot of ways talking to our kids about internet safety, about apps, about social media. Again, communications are key, keeping an open dialogue with your children, teaching them, helping them know that they can come to you is really important. If they have a problem, teach them about using it, using the internet safely. You know, I see a lot of times parents don't have open lines of communication. They have this. They don't want to have these really tough discussions. But we know that if parents are having him, there's somebody out there online that will have them and they're not going to give the information that we want to give as parents. So, making sure, even though they're tough conversations, making sure they happen is really important. Teaching kids, the importance of privacy settings and how they can protect their information really important, especially in this day and age. We see so much identity theft and all of these things that are going on with adults and kids. But unfortunately, kids today, you know, share everything from the moment they get up until the moment they go to bed. And so, it's kind of this generation of over shares, and it's really tough because they're giving out all of their information while a lot of them have open accounts. So, anybody and everybody can see this information. So, explaining to them why? That's why that's important. We have more control over who has access to our information than we realize. And so, using our privacy settings, on instant messaging, on apps, on email programs, virtual worlds, social networking is really important, even online games. Alan had talked about online games. Online games are really dangerous with predators because, like you said, wherever kids are, predators are going to go. So, there's these online games, and we see quite a few cyber tips report related to online gaming like Roblox, for example. People don't think about that, and it's huge. There's a lot of predators and say they have their cameras on then a predator can see right inside that home and see that child. So, we've got to remember all of these things. Mine safety. But that's never a 100 percent guarantee, and we want kids to know that that doesn't mean you can post anything you want. Say anything, you want anything. And this is one thing that the parents need to reiterate to kids is anything we post online can be safe. Copy posted anywhere by someone else, especially on our friends list. Super important because a lot of kids think, Well, OK, I've got this this closed count, but I've got ten thousand people on my friends list. Does it really matter when you're posting anything and everything? You don't know what those people are.
Another thing with parents educating themselves. The first step in helping our kids practice is safety and understanding. It is understanding it ourselves. Finding out what apps they're using. Learning how they work. Say your child comes to you and wants SnapChat. Download it. Understand how it works. Understand the advantages and disadvantages of it. It's really important because too many times a lot of parents don't even understand how the phones or their kids are using work. So, educating themselves is super important. Another one is setting boundaries, talking to our kids about what they should and should not post about using personal photos, their location, personal information. Boundaries are really important, and starting at an early age is going to set them a lot better than just letting things go. So, setting boundaries, helping them unplug is super important as well. They're not going to unplug themselves, especially tweens and teens are just not going to do it. Being aware of predator grooming is another one. How parents can empower themselves. So, understanding the changes in children's behavior. So, pulling away from family and friends. Being online constantly not able to get off. Clicking off the page they're viewing when a parent enters the room, being secretive about sites they visit or who they're talking to are really important because predators are very good at grooming. They do it a lot. They're very good at what they do. And I mean, even when a lot of our investigators go undercover, they're groomed. I mean, these predators are grooming them and they're good at it. I mean, our investigators are even like, Wow, they are good at this. They're very complimentary. They say, What's right. They say what the kids want to hear. So very good. Another thing looking for strange numbers that are calling or texting are kids. And sometimes a lot of times having the software. Being able to block those things is important. Telling kids that if a strange number of calls or texts instead of a lot of kids will text back, “Oh, you have the wrong number”. But that's what this person is looking for. They want to start that conversation.
So, blocking it, not having a conversation. Making sure parents know who their friends are on their social media accounts. Encourage them to only accept your friend's requests from anyone that they know. Do not accept from people they don't know. Even if somebody says something like, “Oh well, I go to your school”, that's an easy thing because if they're looking at their account, they can figure out all those different things where the kids go, where things are doing so, making sure that and another thing parent need to understand is kids hide apps. So, if parents are not wanting him to say how Snapchat there are calculator apps, there's all these different apps that will hide other apps. So, if your child has two calculators on their phone, that was something to look into because obviously they don't need that. And there are many, many ways that kids can hide things from parents’ images, other apps. So, this is ways that parents can be proactive and that they can kind of keep on top of what their kids are doing inside and outside. The best we can because we handle these devices, which are super powerful computers, and they're walking out the door so we can't be with them. Twenty-four seven. So, educating them, communicating is the best resources we have.
Sara: I think that one of the things that you mentioned about setting boundaries with kids and the things that they share online, that's something that parents also need to take that same advice. Because I will be on social media and see some of the things that parents will post of their children that I'm like, “This is private information. Why are you sharing what school your child is going to and the teacher that they have in the grade that they're in”, like the world doesn't need to know that now everybody that's on your feed has access to that information, you know, and even photos that I see of like a child in their bedroom, I'm like, Well, now I know exactly how that child's bedroom is set up. And I've never been in that room before, you know, like just things that I feel like I'm very aware. Like You shouldn't share those things on social media. So, I think parents also need to take that advice and just be more aware of the things that. They're sharing and do I want this information in the hands of everybody on my list because even though it might be a private account and you've only friended people that you actually know, you still don't know what's going on in those people's homes and minds because a predator can be literally anybody.
Jen: Yeah, my biggest pet peeves bath time pictures. Drives me insane and potty training, you know, drives me crazy!You don't post pictures of your kids in the bathtub or going potty.
Sara: Even if I see a washcloth or a little star sticker over the private body, parts like just don't do it
Alan: Yeah, the rest of us don't need to see that.
Jen: That is cuteness just for you and you only.
Alan: I mean, even the most innocuous picture can be used just based on the materials that are free on the internet. You know, you don't think about how much information is in a picture. Just on a side note, me and a couple of guys, we're looking at ads for Jeeps, you know, just use Jeeps. And somebody posted, you know, they were trying to sell their Jeep and they have their name, but they didn't leave a phone number or an email address and the email was blocked, so couldn’t go through. So, it was no actually way to contact this person and say, Hey, you might be interested in this Jeep. And we were looking at the pictures and we realized who is saying, we know what that background is, and we were able to use a couple of just programs to go, Hey, we know now where the street was. This picture was taken from. And then using the same programs from a couple of other pictures, identify the houses in the background until we knew exactly what house these pictures were taken at. And then one of the guys just drove by and knocked on the door and said, Ah, by the way, I like your Jeep. I'm kind of interested in what's the information, even though there was absolutely no contact information that led to that residence. There was enough information just without any metadata in those pictures to identify the exact house where all that was going on.
Jen: That is crazy. Wow. And that takes a lot of work. But these guys are willing to go into that work to find that information. I mean, you guys were willing to do it just for a jeep. Imagine what a predator is willing to do for a child.
Sara: Well, and I also think about with those photos like bath time and potty training to normal people, it's innocent and sweet and cute. But to a predator, that photo has a whole lot more going on than we even want to consider that they're thinking in their minds. And so just to protect our own children's innocence, keep it off the internet. You don't need to share those things with other people. They have their own children and their own experiences. So, keep those things to yourself, right?
Jen: You gave us a lot of good information on how parents can get involved and making sure that they're involved in their kids’ lives and monitoring. But what happens if a parent wants to get more involved, like community wide involved with this issue? How can someone go about getting involved with that? So, they feel like they're making a difference?
Michelle: Well, community wide. I mean, I'd say first and foremost, getting involved with their kid's school because schools and all, I'll give you resources at the end. But schools have these programs as well. So, getting involved with the kids at school, especially maybe starting out in elementary, is huge because then you're going to have an actual impact in your kid's everyday life, even when they're outside of the home going to school. So, I would say that would be the first place to look is getting involved in schools, community groups, starting community groups. I've gone and done presentations for neighborhoods that have done like their neighborhood community groups and then Tuesday nights are the nights they're going to do their activity with this group, with these kids. So, starting things like that, I think getting involved in your specific communities is huge because it just goes out from there. So, starting with schools, your own communities actively getting involved in your kid's life is huge. And then being able to communicate that I know that even OK, so this is an example. Next door. Next door is pretty big. A lot of people have it. I mean, I'm on that and you'll see crimes. You'll see does anybody like, is there a wine group, a book reading group? So starting something like that, starting a Hey, let's get together and let's talk about how we can be safe. Let's bring in a speaker. Let's do this. You know, one big thing is we don't want people to be out there being vigilantes. That causes more problems. For law enforcement. And then you're talking about even things such as evidence. I mean, it really, really muddies the waters. You know what I mean? So, people have got to be really careful. But I think starting at home, starting in schools, being a proactive part of their kid's life is what they have to start with. And even starting with, say, you're really involved, but you're about your daughter's best friends, parents aren’t’. Bringing them into starting the activities with them and not always using activities that aren't on the phone. So, bringing people together. I mean, Covid's struggled with that. But in real life, doing things that don't involve the phone, saying years starting, we're going to go collect food for animals in the shelters. So really getting out there and starting things in real life that don't involve social media.
Sara: Well, thank you. I think that you've given us some really great ideas as far as being more proactive in protecting our children and knowing how to get involved in the community. Because I know that for myself, that can feel really overwhelming to feel like this is such a big problem. And I'm just one person. How am I going to make any kind of difference? And so, I think that that's really helpful for parents to have that information. So, although I do feel like this episode is more light hearted and easy to digest, it is still a hard topic to talk about and can feel really scary. And I'm sure that a lot of parents don't want to process or think too deeply about this problem. But where you do this for a living, how do you maintain a positive outlook and not find yourself sitting locked up in your house with your children huddled around you, refusing to ever go out into the world again? And how can we encourage our listeners to do the same?
Michelle: Well, it's funny. I do get asked this all the time because I'll go do presentations and people will say, “Do you have any kids?” And I only I have one. I have an eighteen-year-old daughter, but I've been here since she was in elementary and they say, “Oh, you must not let her have any social media. You must not let her.” I'm like, “Oh, no, nope. Nope, nope, can't do that.” So think about it. If we put these kinds of restrictions on our children, they're going to seek it out anyway. And when they do, if we're putting the restrictions on, they're going to go behind her back. We want our children to be educated. We want them to be aware of both the good and the bad and the dangers associated with it. We want them to feel comfortable if anything happens. So, me, yeah, my daughter has Snapchat. Do I hate Snapchat? Yes. But she has Snapchat, because do I talk to her about it constantly? Yeah. We can't just have one conversation, either. The conversation has to be ongoing because things evolve. Things change. So that is the way I think most of us in this office do it. I mean, I don't see anybody really that keeps their kids in a box. I think most people that work here, you know, their kids experience things, but we talk to them a lot about it and they probably like my daughter's like, I already know you talk to me out of the closet. Well, I'm never going to stop. I know you're 18, but I'm still going to talk to you about this because it changes so much. So, having that relationship with our kids is by far the most important thing there is the communication again. We don't want to make our kids think that they can't come to us, they can't talk to us or we don't want to have threats. So, a lot of people will say, I'm going to fight, not on your phone, I'm taking that away. I'm taking this away. I'm thinking we can't do that because that's going to backfire on us. We've seen that backfire a lot. So, realizing that, will they possibly get an inappropriate image on their phone? Yeah. But having that conversation about, OK, now what do we do? Where do we go from here? Letting them know that you're open to hear it, you're open to talk about it. Not threatened that things are going to be taken away because if you threaten, not that their phone is going to take it away, which is like their lifeline, they're never going to tell you. So that's huge, communication. I mean, I can't I can't express that enough. Communicate and educate our kids is so, so important.
Alan: Communication is that is the key. And I know there are some law enforcement officers that after dealing with this, become a little more paranoid, you know, like things that we never considered, you know, having kids go for a sleepover. Yeah, I know, guys, that just doesn't happen. It's like, like, do you want to have a party to be at our house or you absolutely know the person that they're going to and it's someone who's very trusted. But just, hey, you know, so-and-so school is having a sleepover and you never met the parents, you don't know to be like, Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. So, there are some varying degrees of what you do allow after being exposed to this and other things. So, it varies sometimes. But the big one is the communication and following what Michelle suggested of being very aware of what's going on in your child's life.
Michelle: Yeah. Well, and the thing is, too is if we think about starting out communication about education now because as kids get older and they are in high school, their independence is a lot more. I mean, they have a. I'm speaking from experience, I'll say, but there are a lot more independent and we don't have as much control over that. So, if we have that relationship with them, we know that that's going to go with them. So, do we still are we still going to have issues? Absolutely, no doubt about it. But at least as a progressive, we started that at a young age as they get older. We're going to feel more comfortable in letting them spread their wings citizens,
Jen: And that communication is key. And every time I either go to a conference or I'm reading a book or anything, I always go to my stepdaughter afterwards and I'm like, “OK, where are your privacy settings? Where is this? How are you receiving any?” And she's like, “Jen, we've talked about this”, and I said, “This is not going to go away. This is something that I truly am passionate about to keep you safe and you educated on what to do if it does ever happen”. And she's like, “Oh, OK, fine”. So, she humors me and lets me talk to her about it. But yeah, it's every time it pops into my brain. You need to talk to her about something. I go and I talk to her about it. Hopefully, she doesn't think I'm the evil stepmother that is cramping her style.
Sara: Yeah. So, communication I had my oldest is nine, and we are just barely starting to get to a place where she's asking if she can get on the internet. She wants to search different things, and I get so nervous because I just don't know what she might stumble on that she had no idea. You can't search it that way or it's going to take you to this place, you know? And so, I get super nervous. But I've had this realization that if I start doing these things with her now sitting next to me, I can teach her and we can have really productive conversations. If those things happen and have conversations before those things happen to prepare her. And starting now, hopefully will just project us into a better relationship. As she gets older and becomes a teenager and more independent, she's going to be better equipped to know how to handle those things as they come along. There was one other thing that I wanted to respond to you just as you were talking about how like our natural instinct is to take away that phone if they're hiding things, if these things are happening naturally, we're like, Well, you lose your phone, which you mentioned, that's their lifeline. That's how they're connected to everything. And we're in this overshare generation that when you take that away, that would be so devastating to that child that I just wanted to share for our listeners that maybe consider you changed the boundaries. Maybe you don't take away the phone, but now they're no longer allowed to be on it unless they're sitting right next to you or they can't have it in their bedroom. Or you put it away at a specific time in the evening and they don't get it the rest of the night. You change those boundaries where they still are allowed to use the phone, but now there's some limitations and restrictions until they can rebuild and earn back that trust.
Michelle: Yeah, I think that that's super important. I mean, you always want to have consequences. But like you said, it's how you play out those consequences. And that's exactly what I would do is change. You can only have a two hours per day or you can have this or, you know. Yeah, definitely just changing those consequences, but not completely eliminating something,
Alan: One note consequence that I noticed early on with having kids. As parents, you've got to make sure the consequence doesn't hurt you more as the parent than it hurts the child because the consequence is going to go away real fast if it does. So, keep that in mind as you are establishing those boundaries and consequences for life in general, for a kid and yourself that when you pick your consequences, they are something that you can live with.
Jen: That is great advice. That is something that I always try to tell parents. You make sure those consequences are what you can live with or else they're just going to go away and it's not going to do any good. So great advice. Well, I feel like you've given us a ton of information, but are there any other resources you would like to give that you haven't shared with us thus far?
Michelle: Yeah. So, I gave you the resources of how to report everything. There's also some, some great resources that are just internet safety and all the different things we're looking for. So, kind of local and national worldwide resources. Number one, again, school districts, school districts are great to go to. They have a multitude of resources and that's in any state, their school districts. Number two, so local Utah Educational Network, which is UEN.org, they have some great resources on there for all of these topics internet safety, social media. Number three, the UtahPTA.org and they have some safety tips that are technology driven that are great. And that's a local Utah number for NetSafeUtah.org. That's also a Utah resource which has great resources. And then here are some that are can be used nationally as well. Digitalresponsibility.org has great resources and trainings available. Missingkids.org/netsmarts. I'm sure most people have heard of the net smart training, but they have trainings for anywhere from educators, parents, preschool level to high school. So, some great resources there. CommonSenseMedia.org is an amazing resource. I go there a lot. It has so many different things from social media, movies, videos. It has what age appropriate levels for things, so it's a great resource. And last one that's great is smartsocial.com. It has great levels as well, and it'll have pros and cons to apps, to games, to movies. Again, great resources and you can always, we have some great resources as well on the use of our website. So yes, any questions or if anything's ever needed, anybody can definitely reach out to me. I would be glad to help in any way I can.
Sara: So, are you guys on social media at all that people can like and follow your pages?
Michelle: We are. It's me, it's the Utah AG. So, we're trying to kind of evolve that now, but it'll still be under the Utah AG. So yeah, we're on Twitter. The Utah Attorney General's Office. We're on Facebook and Instagram. And then we also on our website. We have resources available on there as well.
Sara: OK, perfect. So, one more thing when you say that people can reach out to you, what's the best way to do that?
Michelle: I'll give you both my desk phone number is (801) 281-1245 and my email is mbusch-upwall@agutah.gov.
Sara:Well, that's perfect. Thank you. I think you've shared so many great resources. I have been writing them down as quickly as I can because I'm anxious to go and look those up. But we will also link those in the podcast show notes for our listeners for easy access to just click on them and check out those websites. Thank you guys so much for accepting our invitation to be on this podcast. I feel like you have shared so many great things that hopefully our listeners, if it was too much to grasp, all of it at least took something away because to me, there is power in education and knowledge. And even if there's one thing that they take away, then to me it's a job well done. That's how I feel about child abuse prevention. If even one child gets saved from abuse, then it was worth all of the effort that went into it. So, thank you guys so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to be with us on the Parents Place podcast to our listeners, if you have any questions or want to reach out to us. You can email us at parents@thefamilyplaceutah.org and you can find Jen and myself on social media. Jen Daily Dash, The Family Place or Sara Hendricks Dash the Family Place. And you can follow us on the Parents Place Facebook page. Facebook Group. It's a group as well to receive more information. That is all that we have, but we will catch you again next week on the Parents Place.
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Subject Resources: - ICAC Website: https://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/initiatives/icac/ - Contact Utah's ICAC taskforce: utahicac@agutah.gov - Tip Line: 801-281-1211 - National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: www.cybertipline.com or 1-800-THE-LOST - Utah Educational Network: Uen.org - Utahpta.org/safety-tips-technology-driven-world - Netsafeutah.org - Digitalresponsibility.org - Missingkids.org/NetSmartz - Commonsensemedia.org - Smartsocial.com - Michelle Busch-Upwall: (801) 281-1245 - Michelle's email: mbusch-upwall@agutah.gov
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