Worrying about your children or teens getting involved in drug or substance use is a very common worry as parents and adults. Jay Hymas is here to talk to us about what we can do as adults to help prevent substance use and navigate it if it comes up. Join Hilary and Jen and learn more about what WE can do to help our children.
Jay is the CEO/ Owner of Clear Recovery. Jay has life experience with overcoming Addiction he does his job with passion and purpose inspiring others to do their best and never give up. Jay has 6 kids and loves spending time with them.
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Jen: Welcome to the Parents Place podcast with Hilary and Jen.
Hilary: Welcome to the Parents Place podcast. Thank you all for being here as listeners and we have a guest with us today. This is Jay Hymas. He is local to our area and he is from an agency. He's the CEO of Clear Recovery that's here in Cache Valley. We are so grateful that we have that resource here and so before we do anything, Jay, I want you to tell us a little bit about what Clear Recovery does. What you guys offer to our community because I think it's so powerful for individuals to know what we have here to help. So go ahead.
Jay: Yeah. Clear Recovery is in outpatient substance abuse treatment center, we strive to keep people working and at home and with their loved ones and working through those stresses of addiction. With those sometimes that's not always ideal, and sometimes there's a higher level of care that is needed, which then would go to residential. We've focused a lot on mindfulness in our recovery center, you know, love, hope and kind of a whole forward motion and lots of times there's plenty of paths to clean up in that as well. So, we just, you know nothing beats love when it comes to addiction. We just walk through it with the individual and work on what they specifically want to work on rather than kind of the atypical inside the box, here's what we think you need to work on, so we're very person centered in that way.
Hilary: Which we love here. We actually had a conversation about that not too long ago, being able to find strengths and focusing on those strengths and allowing our clients to decide what that treatment is going to look like for them, because what I need is going to be different than what Jen needs. And so I think that's a fantastic way to go about doing that.
Jay: Yeah, it really makes the person feel valued too. Yeah, like this is about me. This isn't I just showed up to work and I'm expected to do something or say something someone might want to hear it, and so it really kind of removes that aspect of it. I'm sure we get that sometimes people just trying to please and they're coming through and have gone through a lot so. Being able to be open and vulnerable and be yourself, we provide a place where you can be you no matter what is in there. We're not going to judge you and we're going to respect you and show you the compassion you deserve.
Hilary: So, I'm assuming you do some group work. You do some individual work.
Jay: I personally have a lot of oversight as a CEO. Occasionally I'll fill in with the group help Co facilitate a group or if someone needs to meet individually or like some kind of peer support thing, we have two male appeals, peer support specialist. I am one of those. I'm a person with an experience in recovery and addiction. I had a severe addiction myself and so a little bit of vulnerability there. The vulnerability that I speak of it's on purpose, right? I think it's important to see success and important to know that people can recover, we do recover from addiction. So, showing up with for individuals and having conversations with them kind of on the sidelines of things, it's important.
Hilary: And you are here in Cache Valley. But for those that may not be here, do you offer things virtually or are there things that people can take advantage of from outside of the valley?
Jay: Yeah. So we are in Providence. And so if there's barriers to any kind of, let's just say geographical, let's say you're in Lewiston and you can't afford gas to get treatment that you're pretty remote. Yeah, we offer zoom services. At that point, we have kind of, we kind of cleared the way with a lot of interventions remotely in Cache Valley, and there's some other remote areas in Utah that we've served as well. If there's not resources there locally for someone to get, we're open to that.
Hilary: I love that, fantastic. And I'm assuming everything is I mean goes through insurance, Medicaid, all the options that are available.
Jay: Yeah, yeah, we accept everything from Medicaid, Select Health, Cigna, and Antea we're in network with most major insurances. So we're moving barriers is became very obvious right at the first we had to remove a lot of those barriers. We accept Idaho Medicaid, again, we're right on the border here of Idaho and Utah, so there's a lot of remote people that that can't or wouldn't get treatment otherwise, you know, and it's been kind of a battle getting in there with all those, but we're happy to be in the work with them so.
Hilary: Now, I'm making the assumption, but I'll let you correct me if I'm wrong. But given the fact that sounds like you have had you know, you have had experience. So why did you take this career path? What? What drew you to this?
Jay: Kind of feel like it chose me. As silly as that is it? You know when the opportunity to operate and run a treatment center fell into my lap I couldn't say no. I just, it was just absolutely. And my wife and I, there was a lot of conversation back and forth. Should we, should we not? And I just couldn't get behind anything that we should not. And we said, you know, this is if we help one person, then we've made a difference, and hopefully that person helps someone else. And so, you know, at this point, I think it's safe to say that we've helped a couple of people and it feels good and it feels right.
Jen: Yeah, that ripple effect is just from one person. And I always think about that of just helping that, one person and what that ripple effect looks like over generations, so.
Hilary: I dare say there's more than just a couple. There's a lot of ripples
Jay: Yeah, we've been in operation since 2015, my wife Lauren and I took over and purchased Clear Recovery in 2018, and from there just completely upgraded everything and made it a whole new program and yeah, we've helped many, it feels good.
Hilary: OK. So let me ask one more question about your facility. So maybe having someone that you know that's dealing with a substance abuse issue, when do you know whether an outpatient service is sufficient or whether it needs to be an inpatient? You said that it kind of depends, and there's a place for both.
Jay: Yeah, yeah. So residential treatment center in patient, imminent danger. If there's, you know, some kind. Of, you know, been some pretty severe suicidal ideation, things like that, they just cannot stop using or drinking the drugs and alcohol. Then there becomes this obvious imminent danger. If you're harmed to yourself or someone else and it's like, OK, let's look at a residential option. Sometimes that's BHU for acute emotion process. Or maybe some kind of psychiatric help there. Most people can't succeed in outpatient level of care. In fact, most insurance companies recommend to their clients that they try an outpatient level care prior to going to residential for numerous reasons. It's less expensive than outpatient. You know, you kind of find a lot of the barriers at outpatient and pretty quickly it's obvious where, OK, we can't stop using this is not working. We've got to find something safety, right? Or there's too much life stress going on. People just too overwhelmed to can't focus on themselves and a lot of times, that's working home all of this and coming to treatment. That's very overwhelming for some. So, a lot of people prefer it that way. I speak to many people about appropriate level of care. We want to look at the safest, least intrusive option and so that's what, that's most often people call and say I do not want to go to a residential treatment center. What can we do? Well, we can attempt and day treatment level of care which is technically, the same clinical hours, 20 hours of treatment, but you still go home. I always tease and say, well, the difference is we don't have pillow fights, you know, and so.
Hilary: Darn it.
Jay: And that 24 hour monitoring some people need that 24 hour staff and 24 hour care with the doctor.
Hilary: OK, that's a great explanation. And I'm assuming that you your facility can serve both adults as well as youth or do you primarily focus with working with adults?
Jay: Unfortunately, it's only at this point I've I have dreams and aspirations of a juvenile facility. It's near and dear to my heart and we get calls all the time for juveniles. And Cache County is a little bit behind in that area. You know there's some over in Weber County and some that you know we can refer to that work well. But my dream is a juvenile facility.
Hilary: OK, we're going to cross our fingers and we're going to see it happen and then can I say a few years? Is that too lofty of a goal?
Jay: Yeah well, I would like to see it happen tomorrow as well. Right. Yeah, it's, there's not a huge need or like astronomical need, but that need is I mean, like, again if we help one juvenile, we've succeeded.
Hilary: And unfortunately, I feel like that need probably isn't going away anytime soon. If not, it's going to become a bigger need as time progresses. So, well, so given that it is October, it is we're really focusing on our podcast with substance abuse and abuse prevention and understanding how we can best help ourselves and others. Let's focus in on that youth aspect because we haven't had that conversation yet. Being an expert in this field of helping, before you let's start here. Why, why do many youths choose to turn to substance, substance use.
Jay: I think a lot of it's curiosity, to be honest. You know, you hear about it. People are talking about it. It's kind of all over. People are vaping. You see it all over. It's more widely, I want to say accepted it's more wide in our communities and there's a little bit of hype and you know the kids behind it trying to hype it up. So, I think a lot of it's curiosity like, what is that? What do I want to do? And for me, I started using a young age and a lot of it was my family dynamic. And so, there's that as well. My family or people who use substances as well, so made it easy to fit in with my family and so that tells me, you know, what is that? OK, we want to fit in and we want to be safe, comfortable, loved accepted all of those things, especially as you juvenile.
Jen: I had a really good friend growing up and. I think she the treatment, when she was like 17 or 18 growing up in Phoenix. But that was back in the 80s, early 90s, but hers was really that coping. A coping mechanism she had been adopted into a family that was very strict in all of these things and she was very different because she was adopted, but she also her family, did the tough love. When you were talking earlier about how people need people, we need connection. We need love and support. And all of those things. Are there still places out there that advocate for tough love of Nope, you're doing drugs, get out of my house. Don't come to me until you're clean.
Jay: Yeah, they're absolutely is and it's heartbreaking. Just that's my, my you cannot punish the addiction out of someone and that's like a coin phrase. We say that all the time and Clear Recovery. You can't punish the addiction out of someone especially. I mean, you look at a juvenile, you know, and they just they won't accept it. They want I think understanding we're getting on the level of trying to understand. What's going on with that person rather than assuming and making judgments and harsh boundaries for them it turns it worse. I think punishment for addiction actually makes it worse. Kicking someone out? Shaming someone on that level immediately. That's very harsh, right? And if someone comes to an outpatient substance abuse treatment center or a substance abuse treatment center period, and they happen to have a slip or a struggle. And you kick them out for it. You asked yourself, why were they here in the 1st place if they? Were never going to struggle and it's understanding struggle is important aspect. It's a the key aspect in helping someone succeed in prediction.
Jen: Well, I'm glad that there's agencies out there, that and recovering systems that are more of let's find your strengths work together. Let's make you feel accepted and loved and needed because that's we're all connected for. We're wired for connection and when you take that connection away, then of course, you're going to turn to other things, whatever that may be, but still that need.
Hilary: Well, and especially with youth where? Yeah, like you said, everyone is striving to feel like they belong somewhere. I mean, I think back on high school, a place I never want to go back to right and you're trying to find your place. You're trying to find your people, your group, because you. Just want to belong doesn't, and so you can see why if I feel that? If I feel that isolation. If I feel that lack of connection and the individuals that are using give me that, then yes, I'm going to gravitate to that such a hard thing.
Jen: Yeah, teenage life, don't want to go back.
Hilary: Do you tend to find so in Cache Valley? Like what? For us statistically speaking, what tends to be the substance use that's most prevalent for our teen?
Jay: For our teens, a lot of marijuana use, vaping is huge with the teens, so it's just, they're kind of cool kind of thing, right? Like and a lot of people don't see it as there’s this whole it's not as bad as smoking and all this kind of stuff and so they're like, oh, this ain't this is this is good, but you? Know we used to always talk gateway drugs, gateway drugs, all this kind of stuff. But you know that helps when you're smoking, you're hanging out with people who are also smoking things and other stuff and experiment in that realm. So, I think marijuana is probably. One of the biggest with our teens and I'm not well versed in what's going on in the team aspect of the world with that specifically like statistic wise. But I from all I've gathered with all the calls we get, marijuana and alcohol. Lot of battling with the alcohol as well, you know, parents tend to, you know, what you find your child intoxicated it immediately like. Whoa, my, my, I have an alcoholic right here. And that's not always the case, right? Maybe an isolated incident and whatever the case is, you know what is what I'm, if you find your child intoxicated, there's gratitude in the fact that they're still alive and there's hope to maybe this isn't isolated incident. So, coming in with the shaming, the hard pass, punt hard, fast punishment may not be appropriate at that point. I think kids are very scared to tell their parents. And maybe as a substance, based on the parents reaction and historical reactions to other things and I'm learning that I have teenagers currently and I try to my child has made a mistake. I'll stop and you made a mistake. In your room let's talk about this later. Let's talk about this, tomorrow and rather than reacting with that immediate. You're grounded give me your phone you know. Spank you. Take away your birthday kind of a feeling right? And so that's been a tool that I've used personally in my life. And I know that it's. It's working well with my children so.
Hilary: It's that love component once again, right? I care about you so let's figure out how we can best help you right? Rather than going straight to the punishment aspect of it.
Jen: I’m just thinking of that and being afraid to tell your parents and things and I feel like that's when other youth leaders become so important of being open and willing to talk to you with this girl that I grew up in was a really good friend. We also had a youth leader that was a, had been, was in recovery and had been clean for many years and but she would sit and she would tell us her stories. And for me that was the biggest thing for me to go. I am so appreciative that you're willing to share your story so that I can learn from that story and you're open enough for me to ask questions and things like that and I still go back to that and just and so appreciative because I was one of those kids trying to find you know my group. And this friend of mine I wanted so badly to be part of their group. You know, I don't know what was the disconnect and it wasn't there for us, but we remain good friends but just youth leaders are so important.
Jay: It really is. You know that that kind of gets me thinking right. Share your story. You know, education, lack of education is a huge root cause of addiction and it I think educating our youth, you know they have the DARE program. All these things are saying that's kind of a failure all this stuff. But the effort was still there. So continue putting forth that effort and educating, you talk to your children, talk to them about the dangers, talk to them pros and cons, talk to them openly.
Jen: Because there is that curiosity, but they don't know the ugly that comes with it. And remember my friend telling me she saw skeletons coming out of the ground. I'm like I never want to see that's not, that's not the curiosity I’m looking for. But not telling those kinds of things. So kids do know it's not all fun and games.
Jay: Right. And I think that's an important piece, yeah.
Hilary: No, I know we probably will have a lot of parents that are maybe. Asking themselves when should that start? At what age should I start providing that information.
Jay: Yeah, that's kind of the forever question because you don't want to introduce it too young, right or too late. And so that's, I mean that's a really kind of a loaded question. I think you know preteen they start getting into middle school you know kind of in there somewhere. I think it's appropriate. Yeah that's kind of a loaded question. It's kind of a person kind of like thing, you know you see your child going in. Maybe they're in band one week and they want to go to football next week and all that kind of stuff starts to happen, and maybe it's a good time to have a conversation like. Lets have this drug conversation right because they're likely looking for to fit. In. Yeah.
Jen: Look at that. You have to have the sex conversation and the drug conversation
Hilary: You got to have all of the conversations. And as part of this conversation, so what are the components of this of not this we because it's not a onetime conversation, but what are the components that we want to discuss with our kids? What are some of the things that we would want to want to talk about.
Jay: I think you know, if there's any, anyone in the family any genetics that anyone like a grandpa or someone who is an alcoholic or had alcoholism or drug addiction, or parents that have had that or struggled that way, the predisposition for someone else came, the addiction is very high. And so that's a conversation that I've personally had with my children. Understanding that and just saying like look from the first time you might want to experiment, but from the first time it might just be an immediate, I love this like give me more kind of a feeling and so awareness, right. A lot of awareness in that area. I don't really love the fear driven, driven conversation shape conversations. If you do this, you're going to be you know like yeah, trying to ingrain fear in them, but just being very reality-based thinking you might like this. You might experiment with it. You might try this. If you do, please come talk to me. Let's talk about how you felt, how it made you feel, where you want to go with that in life. Yeah, that's a very hard conversation, but you know being open and frank, I think is lot of. And being open to what they say, right? Low reaction is going to be key in that moment, yeah.
Jen: I think as we as parents also need to be educated ourselves. Which is hard because you don't really want to go. I don't know. There's lots of things I don't want to learn about pornography, all that stuff.
Hilary: All this stuff you want to explore in your free time.
Jen: But I feel like you have to have. Some kind of knowledge to have that conversation with them.
Jay: Yeah, I think it definitely makes it easier if you've already got knowledge or some, you know, a family history of, you know, addiction or alcoholism, I think it makes it a little bit easier of a conversation, but yeah, you don't want to give them any kind of false information either, right? So, you want to make sure that you brush up and read up and maybe you can read up together and you can get the routine. Say hey, like I don't know this either. Let’s explore and figure it out.
Hilary: Yeah that’s a great idea
Jen: Especially now where there's, you know, fentanyl is such a big thing and a dangerous one time and that can be the end, you really need to talk to them and let them know
Hilary: But I love that approach of making it like this team effort and being able to admit that I don't have all the answers to this. And just as soon as I think I do then so the new is going to come out, right? Because that's how the world works when it comes to information, and so, yeah, let's tag team this
Jay: Yeah, there's a, you know, you mentioned fentanyl and that's being pressed into all kinds of different pills. And so like a huge piece is if you need Advil or Tylenol or you have some kind of headache or aches or pains or something, never take medication from your friend. They may not know. Certainly wouldn't do it on purpose, but that medication may kill you. Take it from an adult out of the package at the front office, at the pharmacy, making sure that you know the source of where that pill is coming from. That's really important for our children to know and a lot of us teach that it's basic A lot of basic information but. You never think about it that a teen at school and the locker, you know, hey, I have a headache and I got to go and play this basketball game, yeah.
Hilary: Exactly. They're young. They're naive. They think the best of everyone. And they would never assume that something bad was happening or could potentially happen.
Jay: Right. Yeah, yeah, so. An easy. Thanks. I don't want any medication. For me, I'll go up to the office and get it. I'll talk to the coach and get it, whatever that is.
Jen: That's great advice.
Hilary: So as parents that what that may be concerned that maybe we have a youth that's using what are first of all let's. Start with what are saying. Some of the signs maybe symptoms that there maybe a problem or some things we should watch out for.
Jay: Isolation is a big one. I think isolating or starting you know. Starting to feel that distance, which is kind of hard because getting into teens, you're going to start feeling it anyway. Right, that's what. They do best. So that that's tough. But also friend group changes things like that. Like I previously mentioned, a lot of drastic changes in life that can be kind of a trigger for something might be going on heightened emotions, especially with like mood swings, which is also another harbor. But you know erratic behavior. Things a lot of teens experience these things anyway, so it's very tough, but just I think the most important is just already having that open dialogue like it's so if you already have that like, hey, we learned in this book three months ago. I'm just curious. Can we can, I can we explore this? Are you OK? Have you experienced or are you experimenting with substances? What's that feel like, right? That kind of stuff so being. And that’s tough because you know your kid comes home and they're intoxicated and you it's panic. It's sheer panic, right? Everyone's worst nightmare. It's happening, right. And so taking a soft approach and watching for those things can be very tricky and I think assumptions are hard on the child and so trying to not assume maybe when you have the conversation and you're learning about the drugs and substances together or maybe you already know and you're having the conversation asking for permission that if you have suspicion. That you can ask them and have an open, honest conversation about it prior to it happening. So then they're prepared for it. And they don't feel blamed. So you've already got there kind of buying a little bit, I think it could be valuable as well.
Hilary: I love that, setting that up beforehand, that's powerful. So let's say that we have. A youth that we know has a substance abuse problem. It's not just a curiosity. It's not just a one time thing, but this is some regularly happening. What steps should we take at that point?
Jay: Right off the bat, the love, right, love them, accept them, but obviously interventions right. What kind of interventions can we do? Take them camping. You know, family vacation and start doing exploring things as a family and getting curious as a family for other things to fulfill that, whatever their life, they're using substance, obviously a mental health professional could be very label on that a lot of youth I find her very resistant. I'm not going it to a therapist. And it's not, it's more like the peer support find someone like you person mentioned find someone that has been through it talk to them maybe they're maybe they can kind of friend the child in a in a professional way. Right. And get in there and help the child understand what's the dangers and proceeding and share their story. And I think that there's a lot to be said about sharing the story, it’s huge
Hilary: No youth ever wants to feel like they're the only one. Like they're the odd man out. So I yeah, finding that support. Are there teen support groups? I mean, very similar to like AA are there ones specifically for teens?
Jay: I don't think there's any specifically for teens locally here. I know there is support groups out there. I think there's some virtual I'd have to. Resource that that's actually really good.
Hilary: Yeah, we're looking. Yes, finding those group of people that you can. So you're not alone. Yeah, you have commonalities, that group
Jay: Yeah, that isolation, right? Yeah. Yeah my whole families isolate me. I still have these guys, but my families now I feel alien. Right. There's a movie pleasures unwoven. That is a very good, maybe you want to put a plug in there for that.
Hilary: Yes, we'll put it in our notes too
Jay: Yeah, pleasures Unwoven is a good one. Very informative.
Hilary: So with that resistant child that. Child is like Nope, I'm not doing it. Nothing. At all I get to. I don't have a problem. Do we wait? Do we push? What do we do? In a situation like that?
Jay: I think just continually showing up and trying to encourage them to explore pros and cons. Pushing can be just that, pushing them further in right the punishments, the isolation from the friends, the groundings, those kind of things. And of course. We want to show up and appropriate punishment for what's going on. But again, you can't punish an addiction out of someone, and so that's really a tough question. It really is person centered. What are they going through? What you know? Understanding the entirety of the situation from. You know square one mental health all the way through environmental everything. Like everything between that. Right. What's going on at school? What's going on at home. Is there a class they're failing? Is there so completely understanding the entirety of the situation before you're trying to push something else down with folks? They may just be extremely overwhelmed and say addiction or substance use is an escape from reality. So, what in their reality might be? Really hard for them to work. Through and the last thing, not the. Last thing but a very common theme. Is we throw it something else on them here. Now go to this treatment center, you're. Right. Yeah. Go to this treatment center. You've got to go to psychologist. You got to go there. You have to you, have to you have to, you're grounded. And so, understanding I think is very. Trying to understand, seeking to understand before and I know I previously mentioned that kind of being a dead horse there. But yeah, I think. It's very important.
Hilary: We talked about that so often with parenting is finding out like why is my child the child misbehaving? Why are they doing what they're doing? and I love this approach with substance abuse. That, like there's a why there? And it may not be on the surface and it's going to require some. Digging, but let's find out that why? Because then. We can truly find the best way to help them, once we recognize what that is.
Jen: You're seeing as the behavior. The behavior of you know using substances or whatever the case may be, but that underlying the whole iceberg. I love that ice, but yeah, it's all under that surface that we need to deal with first.
Hilary: OK. So as we kind of wrap up, wrap up our conversation. So first and foremost, any other resources that you you've mentioned a few things, we'll include those in our notes, but any other resources you would offer for parents to be informed? you know, the Internet it's an overwhelming place to look. When we're trying to find information. So, so anything specific that you can think of?
Jay: I just connect, make sure they know the resources and the valley and that's like Bear River Health Department. They've been some great resources. We work with the heart team up at USU extensions. They've got some great courses not necessarily directly for the juvenile, but education for the parents. Right. Trying to attend some of those classes. You know, The Family Place. You know this is a fantastic place to refer people to refer people there all the time. But also you know kind of extending an offer that I'm willing to talk to anybody and try and sit down and help them figure out and navigate situations. It's always tough when a juvenile or someone's parent calls. And like, what do I do? I'll have 1/2 hour conversation with you. It's worth the time, it's worth its weight in gold. Like I'll sit down and take the time to try and help them understand. I don't have all the answers, but we can explore some possibilities and you know the Internet is a very scary place to get on. And you push plug that in and get so many answers.
Hilary: Yes you get millions of billions of sites that I'm going to look for the next five years.
Jay: Right. And I hear that all the time. Well, you guys came up on Google and alright well. Again, I don't know how because we don't even treat juvenile so. It's like that just says it all right there. And it's like alright, well, let's have a conversation. Let's meet at the park. Let's sit down. Come into our office let's have a conversation. And so that's important to be, you know, more people in our community that are open to that. I know there's plenty of others. If you look in the right places, you know, there's lots of addiction treatment centers, AA, narcotics anonymous, Alcoholics Anonymous there's tons of great people in there that will have a conversation and help just show up with love. And so using the community, it's not hard. I don't have very many direct resources for you now. So it's a tough thing.
Hilary: Think the fact that you highlight the point that I mean and I speak on behalf of ourselves, anyone that feels strongly about, you know, strengthening families and communities knows that talking is the first step, right and we are open and available and here to help at any time, you know? And it's not going to cost you. A dime because. We're helping you. We're helping people. And that's what we do and that's what we want to continue to do if I don't know the answer.
Jen: And if I don’t know the answer, I will help you find it.
Jay: Yeah, there was. I was having a conversation with some carp international accreditation body for best practice in both standards for treatment and must have a conversation with one of the auditors and they said exactly that, you know, they asked me what do you do when someone calls but you don't feel like your services fit for them right off the bat. The only answer is try and help them find their resource, and because that that's very common in one-on-one size fit is all we have. We don’t have a cure. Yeah. And so trying to find a resource that is more appropriate. You don't just. Sorry, not here. It's tough because. Yeah, we're all busy but you know a clear recovery. But we, I hear I sit there in my office and I can hear the front desk phone just going and most of the time she's up there giving resources and I just love that so.
Hilary: Yeah, that's awesome. Any final thoughts that you would offer to our audience.
Jen: Addiction is powerful and it is overwhelming, but it is. It is something that can be overcome. It doesn't have to be a life sentence.
Hilary: Thank you. Those are good words to end on.
Jay: Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Thank you, guys.
Jen: I appreciate you. So much for coming, and I appreciate your vulnerability and willingness to share. You are doing such a great service to our community.
Hilary: So grateful that you are here!
Jen: So, so kudos to you. We thank you for coming and listening today and just want to remind you to be patient and kind with yourself and we will see you back here next week.
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